Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

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Do you think the Portland Farmers Market should ban dogs, (in fairness they are apparently banning all pets.)

I think this sucks.

Its snobbery to the max.

I think it is anti Portland.

m7
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  • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

    Sat, March 21, 2009 - 7:23 AM
    From their website:

    New Pet Policy for Saturday & Wednesday Markets

    Portland Farmers Market no longer permits shoppers to bring their dogs or other pets to its Saturday Market at PSU and Wednesday Market Downtown both located in the South Park Blocks.

    The market has received repeated complaints from vendors and shoppers about dogs crowding the marketplace, relieving themselves, taking food, and potentially injuring customers. One patron had to be taken to the hospital after becoming tangled in a dog's leash.

    The new pet rules are similar to those in place at farmers markets in Beaverton, Hillsdale, Seattle and San Francisco.

    The pet policy applies only to our two busiest farmers markets. Pets are permitted at Thursday Eastbank farmers market, the Thursday market at Ecotrust, and the new Sunday King Market. All markets remain open to service dogs.
  • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

    Sat, March 21, 2009 - 8:28 AM
    I think it is awesome!
    I have long been disgusted by PDXers sence of entitlement in bringing their dogs anywhere they go.
    It is unsanitary even for the best behaved dog. There are health concerns, who knows who might be allergic.
    And it is no fun for the dog to constantly have to dodge stepping feet in crowds of people.
    I have seen more than one dog fight at Saturday Market, and the owners are always SO surprised at their dog's behavior, or at least blames the other dog for starting it.
    This is definitely the farmers market that I will be going to.
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      Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

      Sat, March 21, 2009 - 11:02 AM
      Please remember that Farmers Markets and public events are to be accessed by everyone. young and old, fit or frail. A tangled leash might be in inconvenience to most,but a potential broken hip for an elder. Some come from places where dogs are used for oppressing people, and dogs can trigger fear.

      Public events and public places are created for the enjoyment of the citizenry. Dogs have not yet attained citizenship or the protection of the Constitution. Hence, their inclusion is not mandatory.

      I was attacked by a supposedly good natured dog about 5 years ago, with no provocation on my part. I was talking to its owner and the dog suddenly lunged up and bit me on my face. As a result, I am uncomfortable around many dogs. I would hate to lose access to events and places I enjoy as a result of lax policies regarding dogs..
  • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

    Sat, March 21, 2009 - 12:14 PM
    I agree with the ban as many people haven't the first clue in keeping a dog well behaved in a crowded situation. Even my well behaved and lovely dog goes a bit bonkers when put into situations where there are so many distractions and issues. Its can be very stressful for even the most mellow of dogs.
    • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

      Sat, March 21, 2009 - 5:38 PM
      the farmer's market is for human interaction, not a dog show. i dont think it's a bad decision. If you have a dog you should have the rest of the week to take them wherever you want. It's my experience people really dont control their dogs well in public places, and the last time i was at Saturday market was annoyed at all the loooong leashes i nearly tripped over or had to step over or around. Having children and dogs shouldnt be a privilege 24/7. woof!
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    Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

    Tue, March 24, 2009 - 8:44 AM
    Wow this is has been more revealing than I anticipated.
    We should rename this tribe: PDX for dog haters.

    But you know, I've often had the same thoughts in public places in portland
    Like walking along as sidewalks or the river as I've been ran over by bike riders and run down by
    joggers and runners. Its rough out there.

    I guess we'll have have to rezone the whole city and separate the old from young, pets from people,
    bikers from walkers...etc... LOL....


    One good thing about being out and about with doggies is that people will actually stop talk with you on the street.
    Complete strangers, stop pause for a moment in their busy life, stop to say to hello to you
    and your doggie, or vise versa. Then they wish each other a beautiful day and smile and go about yours.
    I think its more of a positive catalyst than a negative one in our community.





    • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

      Tue, March 24, 2009 - 10:30 AM
      I don't think a ban on dogs at the Farmer's market will change this. Do you?

      >One good thing about being out and about with doggies is that people will actually stop talk with you on the street.
      Complete strangers, stop pause for a moment in their busy life, stop to say to hello to you
      and your doggie, or vise versa.
    • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

      Tue, March 24, 2009 - 4:39 PM
      Wow this is has been more revealing than I anticipated.
      We should rename this tribe: PDX for dog haters.<<


      Hey m7, way to reinforce the stereotype of entitled dog owner.

      Get a grip.

      Now, if we could just get cracking down on the people who bring their non service animals into the grocery stores. Oh, the stories I could tell you on THAT.
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        Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

        Tue, March 24, 2009 - 4:58 PM
        "Get a grip"

        How about...get some travel...take a deep breath.

        For instance Italy. They allow dogs in restaurants, stores, etc.
        But they are good at following their own cultural rules.
        They have for thousands and thousands of years.

        Americans abuse things until we get privileges taken away.
        And some of us seem to be very uptight about germs or whatever.
        A few dogs owners perhaps act irresponsibly in public and they are banned.
        A few people abuse the system, manners and its ruined for everyone.




        • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

          Tue, March 24, 2009 - 5:11 PM
          Well, then, instead of accusing people who aren't happy with having improperly behaved and controlled dogs around the Farmers Market of being "dog haters," perhaps you should direct your displeasure toward the irresponsible, ill-mannered, system-abusing dog owners.
        • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

          Tue, March 24, 2009 - 5:21 PM
          >>A few dogs owners perhaps act irresponsibly in public and they are banned.
          A few people abuse the system, manners and its ruined for everyone.<<



          Italy isn't much known for it's stellar cleaning up dog poop laws, so yeah- I don't think I shall be looking to them or France ,for that matter for examples on how to responsibly share public space with dogs and people.

          Now read your two lines from your last post I cherry picked for a moment there and think again about why the PSU Farmer's Market banned dogs. Now read it again.

          Considering the things in this world, country, and city that could actually use some righteous anger,attention and outrage over, I got to say that the absence of overindulged canines at an open air food market is going to be low on my Butthurt Priority List, for the time being.

          But thanks for the lolz anyway, m7.
  • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

    Tue, March 24, 2009 - 2:03 PM
    i would like the opportunity to shop without someone's dog pissing, sniffing, or possibly being unruly while i'm buying food.
    i also would like some people to leave their small children at home, or control their behavior more.
    there's a time and a place for most everything.
    not a dog, or kid hater, just too many dog and kid owners don't take their responsibilities seriously.

    • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

      Tue, March 24, 2009 - 4:09 PM
      Well said on the child issue Mike, kids typically 5-9 at the PSU Park Blocks have been more unruly than dogs in my experiences there. Then again as the owner of a 3year old terrior I'm biased. My pup Kuno and I have enjoyed the Farmers Market greatly over the last few years and I was disappointed when I heard I won't be able to bring him along. I don't blame the market association so much as those poorly behaved pet owners. It will be interesting to see however if we do start seeing pictures of children on leashes in the future because it's going to be more apparent when they're the only ones running amoke under food and stealing food. I have to say it was endearing once when I saw a dog steal a cherry tomato, it was not when i watched someones child squeeze and rupture half a dozen just to be destructive and then simply walk away.
      The future of Portlands Farmer's Market should prove to be interesting.
      • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

        Wed, March 25, 2009 - 8:06 AM
        ...and nothing ruins my day more than stepping in dog crap, and let's face it, not everyone cleans up after their dogs. Dogs do not typically respect "boundaries" and shove their noses in your crotch, jump up on you uninvited, and otherwise invade your space. In a park setting or on the street, I can stear clear of them, but at a crowded place like a farmer's market, I definitely prefer to not have to have them in my face.
        • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

          Wed, March 25, 2009 - 3:32 PM
          It's not about dog hating. I love dogs (and cats, and pigeons, and dragonflys...) but you have to admit people in droves even by themselves in markets are hard to navigate, and if you add dozens of leashed dogs to the equation, then that equals MORE CONGESTION. I feel a farmer's market should be a place for people to socialize and interact and exchange goods. Dogs can wait until later. This doesnt mean you should lock your dog in the car for hours waiting for you either. I have mixed feelings about dogs allowed at gatherings or multiple day events (oregon county fair, fairy gatherings, etc.)..it doesnt always seem fair, but HEY! they are dogs and if you are a responsible dog owner you should give them time ELSEWHERE to enjoy besides confusing, potentially crowded environments. Dogs enjoy each other's company and want to play off-leash. They couldn't care less about broccoli.
          • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

            Wed, March 25, 2009 - 3:46 PM
            I think the city should ban the sale of food at the farmers' market. Let everyone, and their pets, jump in the car and drive out to the farm.
            • jOe
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              So we have spoken...

              Wed, March 25, 2009 - 6:24 PM
              Some are not happy with the ban, but many find it acceptable, for personal reasons. In the course of this discussion, a few names have been thrown, but no fists.

              and, at the end of the day,the folks who run the farmers market are the ones who made, and can unmake that decision.

              So hey.. how about them Blazers? ( or anything else to change the subject...)
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      Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

      Sat, June 13, 2009 - 1:53 AM
      I whole heartedly agree with the leave your kids at home.
      I've seen others complaining (whining) about leashes and dogs in their way...
      How about kids? Baby strollers take up to much room and should also be banned.
      Snot nosed little screaming kids touching EVERYTHING,

      I'm o.k. with the ban on dogs, but lets be fair.....
      Ban Kids!!
      Kids get in the way, they impose on "your" peaceful day and your personal space.

      "There is a time and place for everything"
      So true and farmers market isn't a playground!

      And no i'm not "trolling" this subject has come up before and discussed by the city council.

      I'm proud to be born and raised in and around the Portland area!!!!

      We got rid of the "dirty nasty smokers"
      We got rid of the "dirty nasty pets"
      It's PAST time to get rid of the "dirty nasty children"
  • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

    Tue, March 31, 2009 - 9:14 PM
    Snobbery to the max? Anti-Portland? Are you from Portland? I bet you're from someplace like Stockton and thought when you moved here you were actually getting Eugene. They are a little south.

    I have two dogs. And a cat. I love my pets and spend a lot of time with them. They are major parts of my family and household experience. I take them camping and to public places, too. But I tell you, I hate going to public markets where people take their dogs. I find it pretty ridiculous, really. I particularly don't enjoy dogs wandering all over squatting or raising a leg to piss on things, or crap, and stick their nose in your crotch or into your food. They can be a real pain in the ass just to navigate. People on NW 23rd truly confound me. My bostons are adorable, smart, and a real fashion statement since others have noticed the charm of the breed and made them somewhat 'vogue'. But you won't catch me dressing Scout or Murphy in their best Lexi fashion to demonstrate my stylish Portland ways. It's a busy shopping street. Yet people with big (and small) freaking dogs and their tangly leashes are everywhere. WTF. It's a shopping area. Not a dog park. It's crowded! Be considerate, dog owners.

    I find it somewhat amusing that you think it's snobbery to the max that others don't see it your way - that dogs should have the 'right' to be in crowded areas where food is sold. Why is your opinion Portland-representative (I was born here and am a lifetime native Oregonian) and snob-free?

    I'm with Elaine on the Italy thing, too. What? No dog shit issues there? Hardly.

    I just got back from 10 days in Mexico. Dogs are part of their daily life, in and out of areas serving good. Dog shit, fleas etc., are part of that. I sit down at an open air restaurant there and they beg at your table, on the beach, everywhere. I tend to be pretty tolerant of other cultures' right to choose, mine included, but my preference is, do something else with your dog, horse, goat, walrus, etc. Don't take it to an open air food market or crowd busy streets with your dogs that really aren't going to be emotionally damaged by being respectful of other humans. Not everyone wants a dog. Not everyone wants to have to walk around your dog or it's piss or pretend not to notice you cleaning up it's shit (or not) where they have to step over or around. Even if your dog is a perfect darling, and has perfect manners, I don't really want dogs all over public shopping areas.

    Not to go off on another tangent too far but this reminds me of my sister's angry righteousness that she has the 'right' to walk her dog anywhere off leash. She views her dog no differently than she does her human friends. Meanwhile, her dog has no problem going up to say hi to other dogs, who are on leash. This doesn't always work. They are still animals, and not all animals react the same, in these instances. Same with children who are body language inexperienced and often carrying food, toys, etc. I hated it when righteous dog owners let their dogs visit my toddler without restraint, because I couldn't pick him up fast enough before their off leash dog got to him.

    I've seen a ton of people at Portland Saturday market walking with dogs off leash, where the dog is free to wander to grab food from kids, snif in their faces, crowd people, visit dogs on leash who are perfectly fine within the owners boundaries but not ok with dogs crowding them, etc.

    Portland Farmers Market doesn't suck. I'm glad they are banning dogs. I don't take Scout or Murphy shopping there for food anyway. My dogs can wait elsewhere while I grab what I want then go with me more appropriate places or wait at home or with friends.
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      Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

      Tue, March 31, 2009 - 10:29 PM
      "Snobbery to the max? Anti-Portland? Are you from Portland? I bet you're from someplace like Stockton and thought when you moved here you were actually getting Eugene. They are a little south. "

      I am a native portlander, and several generations. I've live here longer than you.

      My dog behaved was very well in public, (rest in peace Speckers,) he even earned the AKC Canine Good Citizen Certificate Award.
      I really enjoyed walking my dog to the market, there seemed to be lots of people who liked doggies and would say hello and ask about my dog. I always found people very friendly that way, but then my dog behaved himself.

      Obviously some bad owners of dogs have ruined this experience for us, and its a shame really. I think a dog or two sniffing around hardly adds up to the germs from lots of people breathing, touching and handling the foods. Maybe germafobes should just skip the outdoor markets all together for their own welfare? I've also actually scene people spit on sidewalks! ewwwwwwwwww.
      • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

        Wed, April 1, 2009 - 1:39 PM
        Is this a Portland Roots Pissing Contest?
        If so, I am related to William Clark.

        So my ancestors raped and pillaged the natives here before anyone else.



        As for the dogs, get over it.
        There is no need to your drooling animal to slobber all over my vegetables or bite a small child.
        Or piss on my bike.
        Or shit on my yard.
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          Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

          Wed, April 1, 2009 - 2:06 PM
          Okay, I give up. Dog haters in public win.

          I thought this city was way more progressive, but its just as backwards as the rest of the country.

          And apparently good luck with the utopic sterile environment you all seek.


          people.tribe.net/88_is_her...94fe876568

          cheers :)
          m7

          • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

            Wed, April 1, 2009 - 2:18 PM
            It has nothing to do with 'dog haters' and it has nothing to do with how well behaved your Speckers was.
            For every dozen people who have 'well behaved' dogs, there is one street kid with an alley breed pit bull that yes fucked it up for all of you.
            And you don't have to be a germaphobe to be allergic to the dander that nine out of ten dogs shed as they walk around the world.
            The world changes and no matter how much you fight against it, you can't do whatever you want.
            Pull your head out of your entitlement ass.
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            Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

            Wed, April 1, 2009 - 2:38 PM
            This is what kills me. If we are against what you say we are dog haters. If we are for what you say we are good ole dog lovers. Look. Everybody who has responded to your initial post are all dog lovers. I'm a dog lover. But there is a time and a place for everything. The farmers market is NOT one for dogs. Plain and simple.
            Signed,
            A responsible dog lover
          • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

            Wed, April 1, 2009 - 2:44 PM
            "Dog haters in public win."

            Ah, okay. When you initially posted this thread, I assumed that you merely hadn't fully considered all of the various issues, viewpoints, perspectives, arguments, etc. around this issue, and that once people with differing viewpoints had offered their perspectives, you would naturally come to a reasonable conclusion regarding the validity of other points of view on the issue. But I now see that you are, in fact, a lunatic. Got it. Best of luck to you.
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              Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

              Wed, April 1, 2009 - 6:46 PM
              "But I now see that you are, in fact, a lunatic. Got it. Best of luck to you."

              Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment from who labels herself own self as "clinically insane"
          • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

            Wed, April 1, 2009 - 2:55 PM
            The river otters are next. I hates them. Ban them!
            • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

              Wed, April 1, 2009 - 6:23 PM
              River otter hater! Snob!

              Enrika does rule.

              Not to beat a dead dog, but why the F does not wanting dogs in a public crowded farmers market make anyone a snob, a dog-hater, backward, or anti-Portland?

              I hate mayonnaise. It makes me want to hurl. If other Portlanders like it, am I anti-Portland and a mayo-hater? A snob?

              Employing your 'logic', one is doomed to all kinds of nepharious characteristics based on their disagreement with you. At least if you're going to go down that path, pick something more creative or interesting. Dogs at a public market is a little lackluster.

              I'd rather be reviled or condemned for something along the lines of fucking in public in front of children and the elderly, or running through the market in a KKK robe (better be fast on both accounts). Those could be considered offensive but you can see where they might be a little more deserving of some energy.
              • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

                Wed, April 1, 2009 - 11:04 PM
                I am going to go home and yell at my dog now and not give her little bits of cheese even though she loves little bits of cheese more than anything. I am going to dip that cheese in peanut butter, and eat in front of her.

                You know why? Cause I am a dog hater.

                I be hatin', bitches be howlin'.

                Werd.


                And m7, clinically insane might not be something one should be all proud about.
          • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

            Thu, April 2, 2009 - 7:22 AM
            >I thought this city was way more progressive, but its just as backwards as the rest of the country.

            How does a dog ban at the market equate to backwardness? I too am confused by your logic. If it were a ban on AK-47s at the market would that be backward? Damn, I should be allowed to pack heat in a crowded public place if I want to, my AK-47 is really well behaved ; ]

            And, BTW, I am actually not a universal dog lover. I think some dogs are intimidating, I don't like walking by someone's car and suddenly be startled by a barrage of barking. I don't like it when dogs that should be on leashes in the park run up to me while I am riding my bicycle. I especially do not like the whole drooling crotch sniffing thing. I guess I too, "be hatin." Sure, some dogs are nice, but not all of them, in my experience. I've been bitten, knocked down and humiliated by dogs with irresponsible owners.

            However, I am a liberal, progressive, heck socialist if you want, second generation native Portlander like many folks. Therefore, dog-loving is not a necessary and sufficient condition for Portlandyness. Never has been.
            • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

              Thu, April 2, 2009 - 12:12 PM
              in general, in my experience, dogs in crowded public places are a huge nuisance, especially when there are copious amounts of food.
              they run around, unleashed, tripping people up, getting into all sorts of things and trash and, piss and shit everywhere.
              or, if they are leashed, still trip people up and try and get into everything

              i am not saying all dogs are bad. i live with an awesome dog, but i would never bring her to a farmer's market.
              it's just bad community ethics.
          • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

            Thu, April 2, 2009 - 12:34 PM
            "I thought this city was way more progressive, but its just as backwards as the rest of the country."

            We all miss the days of rampant polio, dysentery, and so forth. The weeping was like unto music.

            Man, where were the real PASSIONATE lovers of Progress like you when some asshole enacted all those laws about washing hands after shitting if you work in a restaurant, or about using spoiled food, or, well, just any of those backwards, antiprogressive "food handling" laws?

            Those weren't just germaphobes -- they were germ HATERS. Haters, I say! And hate's a bad thing, so let's work to get those germ-hater laws busted. Bring back dysentery!

            • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

              Mon, May 11, 2009 - 10:25 AM
              You have a good point actually.
              Excessive cleanliness is linked to type 1 diabetes, allergies, asthma and a range of auto immune diseases.

              Germ hating has gone too far when we think that buying every anti-bacterial product we can is going to make us safe. At best by buying these products we actively participate in making making the next super bug.

              A moderate approach to being clean is appropriate. The operative word is moderate. Infectious disease is bad but excessively clean is as well. We evolved to have relationship with the organisms which are ubiquitous in our environment, we need to remember that. It is the very bacteria which has become demonized which keep us alive. Without their contributions we would be unable to thoroughly digest our food, extract nutrients and benefit from their synthesizing vitamins our bodies can not create, such as vitamin K which plays a vital role the ability of blood to clot following injury.
  • Re: Ban of Dogs @ PDX Farmers Market @ PSU

    Fri, May 15, 2009 - 3:40 PM
    I think it completely unfair, and rather snobby. Are we going to ban children from public places next? They are slobbery, they sneeze, they put every thing in their mouths, they pick up stuff left and right.
    The farmers markets are run in public spaces, and I find it ludicrous that dogs have been banned from a public place. It is a short sighted solution to something that is a minor problem.
    Then again I'm one of those Portlanders who thinks we should be able to take our dogs in just about anywhere. :D
    I was equally as miffed at the ban of smoking in bars (and at the Pride festival grounds as well. grrrr)j Even though I quit smoking a while ago... I think what really gets me the most is the smugness of the anti-smokers. I've never met one who didn't have a high and mighty "holier than thou" attitude about it. This dog ban feels just the same.
    (yes I know the smoking ban was passed for the employees sake. Erm, well if you don't like smoking, then why did you get a job at a bar? Go work somewhere else. I know, simplistic, but really. That's like going into the army and then getting confused when they hand you a gun. Uh, it's part of the program.)
    I lived in Fairbanks AK for a while and got to take my dog into most of the bars, AND we could smoke in the bar, which was downright awesome.
    Go ahead, pick apart my post and point out all of my wrongs, and why they are wrong. I'm used to it. Logical fallacy is my specialty it seems.

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