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Have any thoughts? Noticed anything unusual yet? Anyone buying the paranoia hype? Think we're going to be nuked within the next three days? So which is it, testing an earthquake scenario or testing a nuke scenario?
Anyone have a nuke-proof bunker I could crash in?
I really don't understand what's going on.
portland.indymedia.org/en/200...9.shtml
Have any thoughts? Noticed anything unusual yet? Anyone buying the paranoia hype? Think we're going to be nuked within the next three days? So which is it, testing an earthquake scenario or testing a nuke scenario?
Anyone have a nuke-proof bunker I could crash in?
I really don't understand what's going on.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 11:55 AMuspolitics.tribe.net/thread/...57e5ed16
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 1:45 PMEnrika, a little paranoia can be healthy, a way to keep checking and balancing. Question the powers that be, gather information, discuss with others, etc. However, the deluge of information and misinformation regarding this event has caused some people to become fairly panicked, in my opinion. That would fall under the heading of "unreasonable fear" in my book. Sure, if there's truth in it, somewhere, we're all in a world of trouble, but what's the alternative? I still, as yet, have not heard anyone offering any. Just a firm "cease and desist." So many people take a black or white, all or nothing approach when they find something they disagree with and that doesn't accomplish much.
I confess, after trying to follow many of the posts on this subject I have become so overwhelmed that I've fallen to the other end of the spectrum and become entirely apathetic. That's not healthy, either, but I'm finding it hard to care. The world is a scary place if you examine to closely, sometimes. I'm more concerned with the mundane crises my life presents me with, regularly.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 1:59 PM"a little paranoia can be healthy, a way to keep checking and balancing"
Agreed. But as you point out, there's a difference between healthy paranoia and rampant paranoia (unreasonable fear).
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 2:57 PMYou know....it's interesting hearing everyone's opinions, conspiracies, and fears about this drill. Basically - it's a mass disaster drill for the responding agencies. I've heard it described as either an earthquake drill or a nuclear attack drill.
Having been part of an emergency response team in the past (for 6 years) and in a position of command on that team for half of that time it is very important to know that responding agencies like police, fire, medical, hospital, disaster reponse organizations like FEMA, and yes, even the military RUN THESE SORTS OF DRILLS ALL THE TIME.
Honestly, running practice drills and exercises is the only way to prepare for large scale events that happen very infrequently. They have plenty of experience responding to a house fire or car accident or other such routine and daily responses - after all that was what their basic training is about. But multi-agency large-scale events aren't covered in the basic training and they only discover problems through drills or having something not work when the real thing happens (and then we like to blame them for not being prepared).
Seriously - that's such a double standard!!! Don't drill for these things but be ready when it happens and you've never experienced anything remotely like this.
And yes - sometimes a real incident does happen right when you have a drill planned. Have run many drills myself I can tell you this from personal experience. Especially if you're covering a broad enough are or services.
So the fact that there was an airline hijack drill planned for 9/11/01 isn't all that unrealistic - just a little unfortunate. I've run new scenario drills before and then had the real thing happen a short time later as well. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT - to be able to know what to do when it does happen.
And more importantly it isn't necessarily that a nuclear attack will occur in Portland but that this is the training ground they have chosen. It sounds like a national multi-agency drill and they'll export these results to be able to respond ANYWHERE. Would it make any difference if they chose LA or San Fran or....Oklahoma City????
And most importantly it isn't really the scenario that's important but the fact that they are testing their mass-disaster and multi-agency response and coordination abilities. The only way to truely test these abilities is to create a scenario that incapacitates significant resources and tests the outter limits of response capability and planning.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 3:11 PM"Don't drill for these things but be ready when it happens and you've never experienced anything remotely like this."
Angel, you're a voice of reason. Thank you. You're absolutely right and I couldn't agree with you more. I think too many people would rather hope that something won't happen instead of diligently working to be prepared if, not necessarily when, it does. Good heavens, I hope it never does. I'd also like to be able to turn to my local, well trained and prepared, response and rescue agencies if some sick lunatic with a dirty nuke in hidden in his underwear goes suicidal in downtown Portland or Seattle or Mill Valley...
There's always bound to be something you just can't prepare for. Like George W. doing a nude centerfold. Wait... ew. I'll be having my brain scrubbed now...
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 3:16 PM"I'd also like to be able to turn to my local, well trained and prepared, response and rescue agencies if some sick lunatic with a dirty nuke in hidden in his underwear goes suicidal in downtown Portland or Seattle or Mill Valley... "
Sounds like their drill was a huge success if they've convinced you that such a possibility is less remote than say a meteorite hitting the city.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 3:25 PM"Sounds like their drill was a huge success if they've convinced you that such a possibility is less remote than say a meteorite hitting the city."
Oh sure, it sounds unlikely, but have you sen THIS underwear:
www.mcphee.com/items/10891.html
Makes it a little more likely NOW, doesn't it... ;)
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 3:33 PMAnd it's also important to note that the scenario itself is less relevant than testing their response capabilities for extreme circumstances. Ok - so what if it's not a nuclear attack? How about an 8.0 earthquake (not improbable) or Bonneville Dam rupturing or...oh....say a volcano erupting and sending thick choking ash that stalls cars over thousands of square miles and blowing down whole forests for hundreds of miles and sending mud slides down every major riverbed for hundreds of miles knocking out bridges.
Geee....we've never had that last one happen before in the northwest!!
All of the scenarios require the same response coordinating it's just adapting to the circumstances. So when they drill they pick the worst case scenario because if you know how to respond when you've got only 1/2 your capability (or less) the rest is easy when you have all your resources available.
As for who's invited - it really all depends on who's doing the drill and what the scenario is. If there was a nuclear attack the local services wouldn't be available - they'd be in complete dissarray. Who would we call in then??
Hmmm....the National Guard? The Army? Who do you think helps out in these mass disaster situations? They're the ones with the serious rescue equipment for all circumstances and terrain - not the local services.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 3:18 PMOh, dammit, nothing but reason in here. I was hoping for a Portland citizens' reason-to-paranoia debate. :) God knows that happens constantly in the Politics tribe. -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 3:34 PMSorry Enrika. I'll see if I can be a little more unreasonable next time.:) -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 3:37 PMWell, I certainly hope so. :)
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 9:08 AMI think the most important point is being glazed over in this argument. The lack of transparency on the government's part is what causes the fear. I have had discussions with quite a few representatives of commissioners and media outlets about the lack of coverage on the Noble Resolve operation, and a couple have actually called me back on information I provided them that came true. That's a little odd considering I am just Joe Blow who happens to have some time on his hands.
I have one question for everyone: What would cause more anxiety....informing the public of drills meant to protect them, or saying you have a "gut feeling" we're gonna be hit?
I understand it's a broad question, but I believe it to be an apt one.
I too don't believe we will be nuked this week, but I also have no problem being called a conspiracy nut for simply inquiring about the muzzled exercise while knowing what has happened during previous "exercises".
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 9:33 AM"What would cause more anxiety....informing the public of drills meant to protect them, or saying you have a "gut feeling" we're gonna be hit?"
Max, I'm going to give you an uncharacteristically direct answer. I don't trust either one. Not a bit. The sad reality is that "informing the public" has become a relatively negative term. No one ever believes that we're fully informed by any agency, any more. Hence, the lack of trust and paranoia. As for the gut feeling. People have their own personal reasons for getting those instinctive feelings, whether mental, emotional, spiritual or physical (like bad potato salad). While valid, in their own right, there's nothing that says that one person's "gut feeling" isn't another person's horrific fantasy or someone else's idea of a bad joke. I have my own gut instincts, of course. I have learned to trust them, for myself, after years of being told to ignore them. It works for me but I would never presume to believe that my instincts are better, worse or applicable to others. Let's just say that I try to keep my own paranoia to myself. Otherwise I may cause a considerable amount of distress and needless suffering.
Hey, I said direct. I did NOT say brief. Now, about that "glazing." Is there ham involved? =o)
Love and light, dear ones.
Rev
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 9:50 AMMax - if the military or disaster response agencies told us ever time they were doing a drill - newspaper ads, television & radio commercials, individual flyers, press release, door to door canvasing.....it would just all add unnecessary expense. Not to mention it would probably spark a protest any time they wanted to practice as well as spectators interfering with the exercise.
Sometimes not telling people is part of the exercise but from what I've read of this drill it seems to be a largely non-invasive exercise testing out some command post activity.
Honestly - drills are just drills and the public doesn't need to know every time. Do you REALLY want to know all the things they are prepared to respond to? Would it make you feel better to know the crazy shit they think just might, on the outside chance, possiblly happen to mess your life up?? -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 10:00 AMThere's a one in a bajeesusillion chance that a meteor will smack into Skidmore Fountain! We have to be prepared!!!
Quick, you grab the gerbil while I make adobe bricks out of Playdoh and shredded paper plates! It's the end of the world!!!
Sorry, I'm being obnoxious today. Angel, you're so right. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I believe that a great deal can be learned from people's reactions to those drills, though, don't you? Hey, I'm just asking...
Love and light, dear ones.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 1:11 PMRev,
You'd be surprised at the "unlikely" drills I've run in the past and then had come *almost* true a short while later.
Disaster perparation is all about being ready and then praying to GOD you never have to actually use that training. But the truth is if you stick around long enough you eventually will.
Just ask firefighters or policemen about the strangest things they've ever seen and how their training for just that experience paid off. I'm heard some really interesting stories!!
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 3:19 PMNow THIS is more like the type of discussion I was hoping for. :)
Thanks for playing along, everyone.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 5:29 PMFolks,
There's no drill going on at the moment. I work for one of Portland's healthcare providers so we'd definitely be involved if there was...
However:
You might want to keep an eye out for things happening in the week starting 15th October ;)
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 5:47 PM>Have any thoughts?
Plenty, none of which have to do with this.
>Noticed anything unusual yet?
It rained in August.
> Anyone buying the paranoia hype?
Not even close...
>Think we're going to be nuked within the next three days?
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 7:55 PM"Disaster Drills" are nothing new. I remember participating as a "victim" in one when I was maybe a freshman or sophomore in high school and I am, as my son enjoys pointing out, "older than dirt". That one was a mock major airplane crash. Did a real airplane crash happen right after that drill? No, but one happened in Portland four or five years later. "Disaster Drills" were fairly common back in the 70's. You know: back before laptops and cell phones. Before the internet, and God knows there's no better place to spread fear, paranoia and conspiracy theories than on the internet.
Truth is: yeah, it's a possibility that we could be nuked, although I'm pretty sure that if a nuclear bomb does go off, none of us will have anything left to worry about. But we could also have a federal building blown up with a bomb made of fertilizer ingredients, or a major highway bridge collapse, or the most likely scenario: a major earthquake. Do we want the government, the police, the hospitals, even the military to be prepared to rescue and assist us if and when that happens? Of course we do, and unfortunately the only way to gain some of those skills is for them to practice.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 8:32 PMi wouldn't worry about it too much.
"From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."
~chief of staff andrew card, talking about selling voters on the administration's war plans for Iraq in 2002
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:05 PM*laughing*
Well, here are some more people who think the administration plans to nuke Portland this week:
www.oregontruthalliance.org/
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:23 PMWell if it is true then at least land prices will go to an affordable rate. -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:28 PMAnd it will make my apartment search much easier.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:22 PMIn journalism there's a thing called the nut graf, or sometimes the cosmic graf. It's a single paragraph that lays out in plain terms why a reader needs to pay attention to this particular story -- why it matters, what the stakes are. I would be very grateful if anyone could provide the nut graf on Operation Noble Resolve and the city of Portland. Why do people think it means we're about to be nuked?
Like the Rev., at this point I've heard so much talk about it all and so little that seems to mean anything in this universe that I've plain tuned out.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:29 PMIt's all part of the Freemasons' grand scheme.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:31 PMI'm not really sure, but I'm guessing this is/these are the "nuts":
2. Military exercises such as NOBLE RESOLVE 07-2 have a recent history of coinciding with lethal “live” events. This occurred both at the start of Desert Storm in 1990 and on 9/11/01 when five or more major military or security exercises were in progress on the very day of the actual attacks. The same phenomenon occurred with the London Bombings of 7/7/05 during which a drill concerning multiple bomb attacks was being staged on that day.
3. Vice President Cheney, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff and former Senator Rick Santorum have all warned of a new 9/11 attack this summer, but are giving no evidence in support. Chertoff based his prediction on a “gut feeling”.
6. The plummeting support for the GOP has triggered comments from its members and analyses of its current political strategy that point to a new 9/11 attack as a contributing factor to GOP political salvation. Moreover, it appears that legends or back stories are being disseminated to support just such an event. -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:44 PMBut ... but ... why Portland?
And as has been pointed out, aren't these kinds of exercises going on somewhere all the time? Therefore it's not very odd or shocking at all that exercises were happening concurrently with 9/11 and the start of Desert Storm (which was not an attack on a U.S. city, so I'm a lil confused why it's used as an example).
Couldn't all of this talk be "legend or backstory" being disseminated to scare people into mistrusting the Republicans even more, while there's momentum?
What scares me more and seems much more likely is the logic of ginormous war games now in the works somewhere I've forgotten actually serving as a run-up to our invading Iran.
Shit, maybe I'll finish putting together that home-preparedness disaster kit anyway. Like it'll help.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:50 PMDon't ask me, man. I just heard about it this morning. :)
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:52 PMYeah - three examples over a 5 years period when something coincided with a major event. Now how many similar drills were completed within that 5 year period and the 5 years before that? 20? 30? 50???
Seriously - that's what these organizations do ALL THE TIME!! They are there to help us when the shit hits the fan...the rest of the time the military doesn't have anything to do. So they train ALL THE TIME!! That's their job.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 10:14 PM
I'm on my local NET team. And the NET people and the POEM are not talking about this, no matter how hard I prod them. I guess I'll go prod them again.
NET = Neighborhood Emergency Training and POEM = Portland Office of Emergency Management.
I know I'm ignorant. That's why I ask pushy questions.
Why aren't the local agencies talking about this? Is anything actually happening here? Or is it some think tank kind of thing with no actual calories being burned?
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 10:46 AMBecause it's NOT HAPPENING. Jeez. Just drive past any hospital in town - they'd all be involved in a big exercise. If there's no emergency tents up outside to house the 'casualties', there's nothing big going on.
The nuclear bomb exercise in Portland is due to be happening in mid-October, not this week. With politicians, international observers from multiple countries, etc etc etc.
As for "Why Portland?", it's because it's an average size big city with lots of bridges that they can pretend are 'cut off' during the exercise. -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 1:08 PM"As for "Why Portland?", it's because it's an average size big city with lots of bridges that they can pretend are 'cut off' during the exercise. "
Hey - that's what I said!
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 12:11 PMYour not going to notice anything happening at hospitals in town, this drill is a computer drill... Yes there are military people in town right now but it is not a live person calorie using drill as some emergency drills are. The drill was set to run August 20th-24th primarily in Salem and Portland with the St. Johns area being the detonation zone in their mock drill. Yes I actually have read through the writings on this from different sources.
Some of the "False Flag" evidence that was presented is based on several happenings that coincided with major military drills:
1)Internal Look Simulation of Iraq Invading Kuwait Coincides with Start of Desert Storm
Norman Schwarzkopf: "We went ahead and did an exercise, what's called a command post exercise, which is what Internal Look was to test our ability to deal with this particular scenario ... Just so happened we were in the middle of conducting the Internal Look command post exercise at the same time the crisis developed in the gulf."
2) Oklahoma City Bombing,
3) 9/11
4) London Tube Bombing
and I believe there were a few more smaller ones...
One weird coincidence was that Noble Resolve 7-1 was in Virginia this last April, right at the same time the Virginia Massacre happened...
Some of the paranoia is definitely coming from the train of events that have been occurring. Not only do we have these comments that people are paying attention to:
Cheny , "The greatest threat now is 'a 9/11' occurring with a group of terrorists armed not with airline tickets and box cutters, but with a nuclear weapon in the middle of one of our own cities."
Chertoff he said he had a “gut feeling” that the US faced an increased chance of a terrorist attack this summer.
Remarks like this were heard prior to the WTC “attack” almost 6 years ago, and it makes you wonder whether history is going to repeat itself.
Republican Senator Rick Santorum "Between now and November, a lot of things are going to happen, and I believe that by this time next year, the American public’s going to have a very different view of this war, and it will be because, I think, of some unfortunate events, that like we’re seeing unfold in the UK. But I think the American public’s going to have a very different view,"
We have Bush passing two presidential directives:
NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51
HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20
Passed in May This directive, completely unnoticed by the media, and given no scrutiny by Congress, literally gives the White House unprecedented dictatorial power over the government and the country, bypassing the US Congress and obliterating the separation of powers. The directive also placed the Secretary of Homeland Security in charge of domestic “security”.
Peter DeFazio as part of the Homeland Security Committee asked to review this directive. White House staff had initially said it would provide the document to Homeland Security Committee staff so DeFazio could review it. But on July 18, White House staff, the congressmen wrote, "informed the committee that the request had been reconsidered and rejected. In fact, the committee staff was told the document is 'close hold,' and 'frankly we are not willing to share it.' "
Then in July we got this Executive order:
A presidential Executive Order issued on July 17th, repeals with the stroke of a pen the right to dissent and to oppose the Pentagon's military agenda in Iraq.
The Executive Order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq" provides the President with the authority to confiscate the assets of "certain persons" who oppose the US led war in Iraq:
"I have issued an Executive Order blocking property of persons determined to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people."
In substance, under this executive order, opposing the war becomes an illegal act.
On top of that we have Former National Security Advisor and founding member of the Trilateral Commission Zbigniew Brzezinski tacitly warned a Senate Foreign Relations Committee last week that an attack on Iran could be launched following a staged provocation in Iraq or a false flag terror attack within the U.S. he stated this in Feb.
Oh and of course people are looking at this scenario;
America's first Muslim congressman has provoked outrage by apparently comparing President George W Bush to Adolf Hitler and hinting that he might have been responsible for the September 11 attacks.
Addressing a gathering of atheists in his home state of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, a Democrat, compared the 9/11 atrocities to the destruction of the Reichstag, the German parliament, in 1933. This was probably burned down by the Nazis in order to justify Hitler's later seizure of emergency powers.
On August 1st Ellison was to appear on CNN, he did and completely apologized for his statement against the president, what else happened that day? A Minnesota Bridge collapses, and according to investigation it is looking a little iffy on how that happened, Supposedly there was a warning that day to avoid that bridge.
Remember that CIA agent Philip Giraldi warned the American Conservative magazine that STRATCOM would launch a nuclear attack on Iran in the wake of a new WMD-style attack on American soil.
And the Russian media and former Russian military members continue to warn that an American and Israeli strike on Iran is imminent.
While many drills are run every month, Nobel Resolve 07, with it’s “realistic” scenarios, comes at a time of increased geopolitical tension. It is reminiscent of the drills in 2005, where a ten-kiloton nuclear weapon was “simulated” to explode in South Carolina. Some speculated that four-star Gen. Kevin Byrnes, of the Fort Meade TRADOC command, was fired due to his exposure of the drill.
We should not live in a constant state of panic and fear, or make any irresponsible predictions about Noble Resolve 07. But perhaps we should just be aware of what is happening around us.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 12:42 PMI like everything you have to say there Fire Dakini
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 2:34 PM"with the St. Johns area being the detonation zone in their mock drill"----well, that's ONE way to stop the people in this neighborhood from fighting City Hall all the time!
Seriously, though, I am actually relieved to know that these type of drills go on. I'd prefer to think of our government as being prepared for that elusive "what if" scenario. I would sure hate to think that something of this magnitude would be handled as poorly as Hurricane Katrina relief. -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 3:12 PMI would not personally put to much faith in the drills equating to preparedness, Hurricane Katrina and the outcome is an excellent point toward that. As people have stated Drills go on all the time at many different levels. As an RN I have been a part of a few myself. What happens in a drill and what it looks like on paper are very separate things from the real thing. In many ways a drill has nothing to do with how prepared anyone is for any type of disaster or event... To some it gives a sense of false security, to others it is just a game so to speak. Personally just be as prepared as you can in your personal life, work at learning to control your adrenalin response and keep as clear of a head as possible. That is one big difference between the drills and real life, No Adrenalin is running in the Drill, no fight or flight response making us make crazy weird decisions...
For example, take childbirth, no matter how much you practice or prepare for it, you never quite know how it truly will go, and it most always takes you by surprise...
Tia
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 9:54 PM"But ... but ... why Portland?"
My Cynical Fucker response is that support from the Portland area is "soft" for such policies as "attack brown people overseas," so the best way to counter that is to convince Portland that they are in danger. The best way to do THAT is to PRETEND there's danger and respond accordingly, because any idiot knows that it's easy to get swept up in mob hysteria that way.
It's kinda like those tribes that would clear off land and build little straw towers in hopes that this act would make the airplanes magically come and bring trade. -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 9:29 AMwell, yeah... don't forget that george the eldest called us 'little beirut'.
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Wed, August 22, 2007 - 9:45 AM"But ... but ... why Portland?"
How about because it's a medium size port town with lax security and ~1 million people in the metro area and a bit further away from any major military installations and we have 14 bridges over a river that splits our city into 2 major access areas?
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Wed, August 22, 2007 - 5:48 PMIf I were nuking a town it might be Crawford, Texas. Can I say that out loud? -
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Thu, August 23, 2007 - 9:19 AMNeed a bullhorn?
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 9:34 AMGood morning.
I'm a Japanese. BOON
When I knew in the Web that OP Noble Resolve began , I was scared .
” Is this a true nuclear bomb "
Does not the Portland citizen be making noise?
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Re: "Operation Noble Resolve 07-2" began yesterday in Portland
Fri, September 7, 2007 - 6:44 AMPlease keep this in mind:
While Operation Noble Resolve was seen by some of us as a potential for a nuclear false flag on Portland to trigger a war against Iran. Look what the military did last week with a B-52 "accidently armed with nukes mounted on its wings"
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...62.html
We have Operation Top Off 4 in October as Cheney calss for the war drums to beat against Iran
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